yo, most cats from here that ARE good enought to go mainstream fall into the "conscious" rapper phase indeffinately. You can't have flavor if Common and Mos Def have already had that flavor before you. Take a second listen to some of the other hyped up local shit thats being put out there and it all sounds the same.... Talib does that style WAY better. I think all anyone here needs to do to make it big in the main stream is get a good manager. But you'll still be considered underground untill an original style emerges...

Most northwest hip hop hasn't been progressive enough to lead any movement beyond underground shit.
the region will have its time. who knows when. but maybe hip hop is dead anyways. At leas t for the mainstream. Northwest cats are tryna keep it alive, by stayin true to real hip hop. But maybe theres no room for that. But maybe mainstream's dead. then maybe it won't matter. Its all relative

TOO MANY PUSSY NORTHWEST RAPPERS THINK PEOPLE WANNA HEAR WHAT THEY SAYIN / GOT NO FLOWS / JUST THINK RAP IS ONLY ABOUT MESSAGE AND NOT ABOUT RHYTHM

Mainstream hip hop is dead. Its good the northwest aint a part of that shit.

Posted By: SkeletorHmmm. Rap is about message and flow.

AMEN! its about beats and rhymes. hip hop for money is wack mofos

Why Seattle Hip-Hop is not on the map....Part 1
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 at 12:32am
Atlanta, LA, New York, Huston, Oakland, and more. These cities have strong holds in the world of Hip-Hop, but Seattle does not. Ever wonder why? I'm sure you have. What I am about to expose is a truth that a lotta katz don't wanna face. The magor reason why a city that has famous folks, such as, Bill Gates, Jimi Hendrix, Quincy Jones, Kurt Cobain, and more doesn't have the foot hold in the Rap game is all because of one krew who dealt in selfish skull dugery and traitorist greed. Bet you can guess who since it's commin' from me. Yep, you win the gPrize homie, the entity known as Swass or NastyMix Records.
Really, they, among others of their artist rooster, are misnamed. The real name of this Label should have been NastyMess, because that's what they truly ended up to be. Thanks to the main greedy bitch azz culprits, Shelia E Locke, and Sir Mix-a-Not. Two so greedy and selfish klownz that got so into thier pocket books and ego so bad, they not only fucked others, and each other, but themselves, which is the biggest irony of all.
Look at the Artist birth order of LA....from Lonzo and the World Klass Wreckin' Krew came Dre and NWA, from that came CIA, from CIA came Ice Cube, from Ice Cube came Yo-yo, from NWA came Eazy E, from E came Bone Thugs, from Ice Cube also came WC and the Mad Circle, Westside Connection, Mack 10, R from the I, Commrades, and more....not to mention Dr. Dre, came DOC, Michelle Ley, Eminem, The Game, and the list is super crazy...
Now back in the eighties Sir Mix could have been right at the epicenter of Seattle HipHop, and even though he wouldn't have lasted as a artist(maybe) he would have banked in profit from a good grip of artist and had a almost unblemished rep' in real Seattle Hip-Hop history. This is not the reality though, reality is he went for total self, he couldn't stand that rap was here to stay, his original purpose was to merge to soul techno and then to be a 'real' artist. He was totally wrong though. It didn't matter to Sir Miss though, he lucked up finally on a gold hit (written in part by Shedra 'I double L' Manning according to him.) known as Square Dance Rap. He had bit redoing songs by bands such as UTFO and Newcleus, and now had a small club hit. That's all he needed.
His gay cohort(and not in the sexual sense, but it would apply...) Shelia E or then known as Ed Locke played hand in hand with Sir Miss and from the business side put forth a machiavellian strong hold against potential artist that might off set his cash cow. He would seek out other artists and then report to his main breezee, Sir Miss, about the status of them, and if they were a threat. As the future would hold though, Shelia E would be drummin' to a different beat than his partna in grime. While Sir Miss jollied in his fame and name, Shelia would dabble in his pocket wit' game. Now that's Swass for that azz.
Why share the pie? Dj Nasty Mess is a cluck anyway stuck on lil' galz and nose candy, Greg Jones is just a wanna be white guy, he doesn't need the money anyway, and the rest??? Jerry Heller there azz up outta the Mix.
Sir Miss went on in his lyrics that him and Larry 'The White Guy' had hella Real Estate, untold fortunes, and could buy Tesses in different fuckin' colors. What did it matter? He could have any gal from any fuckin' High School and Middle School he wanted with a gang of Dick's Burgers. He'd promise them recordin' contracts he knew he wouldn't get down wit'. Then fuck 'em.
When his street cred' ran low, no problem, draft the simple minded street dude and promise him or her shit, meanwhile never do it, like Art, or Maharaji, eDawg, Wojack and Eugenuis. A great plan him and Shelia E thought, but flawed for the god damn long term.
Had these cohorts really thought they would have at least tried to do like Easy E and go str8 for the business side and say fuck the fame. Shelia E knew this in part, but probably was dumb founded by Sir Misses missin' azz. So instead of fightin' it wit' his bitch azz, he went wit' it. Fifty-fifty in the contract...'That's what I'm not gon' do...' Shelia probably thought, and let the deflection go on to Sir Miss.
Easy E died from Aids, but died wit' money. He cared not about fame, he was already ghetto rich, he didn't even want to rap, Dre and Cube coached him into doin' that. He just wanted the money. He cared less who was on the credits, but Sir Miss did. So when talent came out, he attacked it, wit' songs dissin' they're charactor, and he sometimes never even met the people he dissed. As time would tell, then he would be the one under attack by Gary Jam, Frostmaster Chill, Sugar Bear Wells, Sir Lover the MC, Silver Shadow D, and the list goes on....he knew it was commin'. He just didn't think it would be that bad....

man fuck seattle rap. i grew up up there. that shit is whack as fuck.

its all about STYLE. fuck your content. if your lil platform is so important write a fuckin book ni66a. yall aint got no style. listen to what we doin in oakland. thats some real, actual shit for your head. not just a bunch of white dudes jocking atmosphere, shouting about how they are from seattle and they *do* have *hip hop* up there, then drop the phrase mix a lot, then shout out some lil shitty restaurant.

my mom is a BIG rap fan. and she even really loves concious shit, like roots and franti and heiro and all that. yknow what, she went to a common market and, well, someone else, show and she said it was whack as FUCK just a bunch of white dudes shouting and rapping vague conciousy type BULLSHIT. in her words it was all 'shiggidy whiggidy blap blow CAUSE WE WANT A REVOLUTION! blahblahblahblah beep shout WEARIN CHE SHIRTS CAUSE THE SYSTEM HURTS! giggity giggity peep flow BOB MARLEY!'
fuck that shit. seriously yall gross me out.

do you even know bout tribal and vitamin d and source of labor and all that? that was the best shit ever. yall will never. ever. touch. that. jake ones tape was whack as fuck, it was only notable cause it had national nasty crap garbage like freeway on it. but good lookin out on 4th dimensional rocketships jake, not my bag of chips but you did that heckka well.

and make your whack rappers actually SAY SOMETHING. if its gunna be concious dont just be another throwaway. step your rap game up. make albums not just 14 of your previously recorded tracks. use some goddamn cadences. reach out to portland and the bay and reno and kc. stop beefing. kill those whack fat ass halfrican gangster rappers. dont put shit out that will dilute your scene. give away your cds and actually ROCK shows dont just show up and do your lil 8 songs in a row, soundin exackly like your cd except u outta breath.

<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Mocard47</cite>Damn All yall should look up "moros503" on youtube. He just droppd his first mixtape on a bunch of remixes!! and the next mixtape is going to be a mix with orginals and remixes. Moros is a breath of fresh air to all of hip hop. His swag is crazy and Isnt one dimensional and has a lot to say on every track. Hes from portland.
Tell me wat yall think about him cuz he gonna be huge with just a little more help!!!!</blockquote>